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What Are You Willing To Fight For?
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did she break her neck or just put her to sleep?
mrd143, I don’t think the witch is ever gonna wake up. There’s an MGM song from 1939 that would be very appropriate right now.
Also, please note (panel 1) — the witch has let go of the voodoo doll.
@mrd143 Tiff either snapped her neck, or gave her an extreme noogie…I can’t decide which I would prefer really.
Judging by the page’s title “Air is Important”, I’d say she just cut off her air supply, knocking her out.
Well, there IS a noticeable lack of “CRACK” sound effects. So not likely to have broken neck. Either unconscious through brain rattling, or lack of oxygen is most likely.
The only thing missing in the last panel is Tiff saying “WHO WANT’S SOME!!!!”
Thats a sleeper hold. So think she just put her to sleep.
Those Church Choirboys that were shocked unconscious earlier had better pretend to still be unconscious if they know what’s good for them.
Now THAT is a neck being snapped.
“But I do know the only reason you’re alive is because she is.” with a meaningful glance at the witch….
Methinks the witch be dead.
It could be, but that would contradict the comic title. I like the sleeper hold + noogie eXtreme combination.
I really enjoy seeing Tff’s stocking tops all the time now.
MNH you perve!
I mean we all like it, but some of us have the decency to oogle in silence 😉
The way the body is sprawled on the ground, breasts down and head looking back, I’d say the reason air is important is that she’s taken her last breath.
Hm… No “snap” sound effect says sleeper hold to me.
If she were breaking the neck she would put her left hand on the victim’s right shoulder to keep her body from turning when she turned the head to snap the neck. Tiff is making a fist and has the witch’s head in her elbow. That’s a sleeper hold.
Also, I can’t imagine the artist failing to take the opportunity to draw the word crack if there was a neck-shattering crack sound involved.
For the record, I put in the sound effects… something that I generally don’t do unless it is a sound off-frame meant to draw attention.
For example, there are no sound effects when Tiffany dented Niel’s armor. I find those sort of sound effects unnecessary and clutters the panel.
So Chemic, I’m still not clear — are you saying she’s dead by neck-snap, dead by strangulation, or unconscious?
A second reason I think the witch is dead is Tiff’s statement two panels ago that the only reason the Jelliones were alive was because the Witch was … alive, not conscious. She doesn’t appear to be in a bluffing mood.
@meps98: Tiff could have meant that the only reason the jellies are being alive is because the witch is _clever_.
Anyway, Tiff is not really in a mood that would lead itself to mercy.
I am A black belt in TKD and Judo, and can say that the left fist of hair and forearm across the wind pipe with the right hand on the head twisting it would crush the wind pipe and with A pull twist, snap the neck first cutting off the air then severing the spine! A quick kill to be used in A fight with several opponents. ( Not A play fight move! )
@ Ice Raven
so “Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is Dead?”
The implied speed suggests that the song witch is dead. However, the page title, and the fact that such a move simply isn’t like Tiff, suggest otherwise. She’s a heroic barbarian, not a murderer. Not really even much of a killer. The witch was out for blood, yes, but so helpless before Tiffany that killing her would be murder. Tiff would beat her unconscious and wait in a nearby tree for her to wake up so she could pounce and hand out a second beating, but kill an opponent that’s already defeated? Nah.
Frankly, not knowing the situation, she has far more reason to kill Neils than the witch.
@M
What can I say. Subtlety is not my forte, or whatever. Wish the dress would rip already.
The tongue hanging out in the second panel suggests strangulation, rather than just a quick snap of the neck…
Conan the Barbarian was also a heroic barbarian and not really a “murderer”, yet he sure left a wide trail of dead bodies in his wake. You don’t really want to cross a barbarian — when they put you to sleep, it’s usually a permanent sleep.
I’d like to take this time to let everyone know that snapping the neck doesn’t instantaneously kill somebody unless done right and can be an extremely horrible death if done wrong. So, lets just hope that Tiffy just knocked her out.
No way. She was already ticked off, jumped through a glass window, punched out neils through his armor, got even more injured by a spray of magical blades, and after all of that you expect me to believe she finished the witch with a nice friendly sleeper hold? There’s just no way, she would be too angry at that point to be gentle. If she wanted to be non-lethal she would have just KOed the witch with one punch, not grapple her. Finally, there is the fact that the witch was defeated without having her clothes torn off! That means this isn’t a normal exiern fight!
If the image doesnt look quite right for a neck breaking, chalk that up to the artist simply not being very knowledgable on the subject. I will be a bit dissapointed if she does prove to be alive in later pages. It just doesn’t fit.
@MNH I never noticed the stockings until you mentioned it, from the first page she wore that dress till this one.
The Witch is dead? Are we sure she isn’t just a remote operated clone? Or a Skrull in disguise? I have fallen for those before you know.
You probably don’t live long in the Barbarian business if you let known enemies walk away to get another shot at you. Tiff didn’t leave any of the Fractured standing, admitted she was attempting to gut Theresa during their confrontation in the square and was disappointed there wasn’t bloodshed when she and Peonie escaped with Faden from his lair. The only reason people walk away from a confrontation with her is if there is some advantage to her for them to remain alive, as in the case where Faden was using mind control on the guards while he was in jail. Tiffany needed the guards to help escort Faden to prison. Lucky for them, they lived a few more days before the Dragon, dragonette or the Water Nymph got them. I can’t see any advantage to Tiff in leaving the Witch alive, so she’s a goner.
Neck snap, sleeper hold, or just a Noogie?
I don’t think Tiff has any hesitation to snapping the necks of witches, so unless she wanted the witch alive to ask question, I don’t think the witch’s CNS is fully connected any more.
If a neck snap is intended, why is the hover text “Air is important”? Air is meaningless if your neck is snapped. “Undamaged spinal cord is important” would then be the right hover text. I can accept the artist not rendering a neck snap correctly. I find it harder to believe the writer (whom I assume is responsible for the hover text) would think airflow restriction has anything to do with neck snapping.
@ coyotenose
Tiff has already been subjected to more Magik in the saga than anyone else….
With the Title being “Air is Important” I’m surprised no one thought about a Simpler move than a Neck Break.
A Crushed Larynx negates the need to exert ~18 pounds of pressure to twist and snap the necks vertebrae so that they severs the spinal cord.
You spend much less time with the now choking to death Witch.
And in all fairness….you’re casting majik to do ‘something harmful” to me? I’m going to make sure you never get up again.
First Rule of Combat Survival….
Make sure you are alive and they are not after the fight is over.
Exiern is a different milieu than Hyperborea. Conan killed everything he fought if he possibly could. That’s the world he lived in. Tiff lives under different axioms. Her list of actual kills is pretty damn short. Her list of attempted kills all come with qualifiers: Immortal Murderous Sorcerer And Immediate, Ongoing Threat To Everyone; Tentacle Monster Trying To Get Jiggy With It; A F!!!!!g Dragon; That Bitch Teresa Just Flirted With Denver.
She’s fighting a spellsinger. Choke them and they’re helpless, which is what she did. She’s probably also imagining Teresa’s face as she does it.
Tiff was berserking when she tried to gut Teresa. Of course, she could be berserk right now, but there’s no impetus for it. It’s more like she just filled her Focus Meter and is unleashing special moves while shouting, “This… is the Quickening!”
Like I said, she has more and far stronger motivations to kill Neils, whom she knows to be a royal bodyguard who has apparently turned traitor and assaulted Peonie. The witch is a joke by comparison. Tiff could give her a double purple nurple and the fight would be equally over.
I had considered a crushed windpipe as a possibility, but it isn’t very befitting of the genre.
There’s nothing friendly about a sleeper hold. They hurt. A LOT.
If Tiff was trying to kill the witch by doing something to her neck or throat so as to prevent retaliation, she used several more moves than were necessary in her current state. She seems very focused; if she was going to a kill, I’m inclined to think she would have been faster about it, given the way she ended the other fights. This was (very relatively) gentle disabling.
The Fractured are “obviously” not alive in the same way a human is. Chopping them up doesn’t require a killer mentality. They were also armed and swinging when she brought them down. As I said, the witch was already rendered helpless, and in such a focused manner that Tiff was clearly aware that she had the situation under control.
If you think about the incidents to date, Tiffany is actually many times more likely to consider killing someone over a social situation than a physical attack. To her, fights ARE social situations, and she is very comfortable in that role. She tends to go from merely physical to actually bloodthirsty when she’s made to feel awkward.